Monday, January 30, 2017

Parting Gift

Here you go. And Here. Listen here starting at 36:30.

Ok.

Bye.

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  1. Thanks for all your work.
    Best of luck in the future.

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  2. Interesting. I think Paul Kimmage is the only sports journalist with any balls.

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    1. I would have added David Walsh, but he has not been the same since the fallout he suffered during the Armstrong investigations.

      Around 2012, I contacted sports author Richard Moore, who wrote 'In Search of Robert Millar' and 'The Dirtiest Race in History' - the latter tale about the tainted 1988 Seoul 100m final. In congratulating him for a book which I really enjoyed, I did ask him if he planned to write more books investigating doping in sports, among other things. His response suggested the general journalistic interest was quite specific when it in doping. I took that to basically mean "when it is convenient".

      As galling as it may be sometimes, it should be remembered that sports journos possibly cannot afford to risk their livelihoods on some noble crusade. David Walsh was almost ruined professionally and financially when he took on Armstrong. It's very fortunate for him that his investigations were validated following Hamilton and Landis turning on Armstrong.

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  3. SnR, this is why you should stick it out... This site's voice is important, especially when the press won't go after issue like TUEs... There are stories to be told, and everyone needs a place where relevant information is cataloged.

    I feel your pain, but (in my humble opinion), it's the wrong time to quit.....

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    1. problem is, it has been a decade and nothing, nada, zilch. no tangible progress on any of this site's crusade. at some point, you've gotta reassess your goals.

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  4. Glorious, very interesting final post. Delighted too that Kimmage has called out the diva antics of S.Williams. Plus, he is literally the only journo that identified 3 of 4 singles finalists had been outed for TUE use.

    I can only hope Kimmage gets the bit between his teeth as he and David Walsh did prior over Armstrong.

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  5. Sen, you may feel you haven't made a difference to the game but you have kept the spark of truth alive through this blog and enabled a discussion which could not take place anywhere else. That is also about making a difference. We are grateful.

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  6. @SnR - thanks for popping back. Please don't throw in the towel completely. Look how long it took for Armstrong to be called to account. Every little episode adds up, until at some point it tips the balance into action being taken.

    Either way good luck in your future endeavours, and thanks.

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  7. On the Serena issue in SnR's original post, I find it galling that she dares ask for an apology just for a journalist asking a fair question; when if memory serves she has refused to apologise to either the line judge (USO 2009) for threatening to 'shove a tennis ball down her f***ing throat, or umpire Aderaki for another tantrum (USO 2011).

    This of us who followed Armstrong's case from early on know that he was skillful as spinning himself as the 'bullied survivor' when he was feeling the heat from writers and journos. Even if anyone has the cojones to go mano-a-mano with S.Williams, you just know any such investigation will be smeared with 'racist' or 'sexist'. Good luck to anyone who persists, that's all I can say.

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    1. Oh yes, who can forget Serena's roid raging incident when she told umpire Eva Asderaki that she was "unattractive inside" or the infamous abuse of the lines judge. Never apologizes and gets fined the equivalent of a spa day for her. But the press doesn't press her. Ever. This recent incident is just another example in a long line for Serena. But I get that they're afraid of being banned from her press conferences. The diva. Hell, Nadal even got an umpire banned from his matches. These players are running the game.

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    2. Of course they have Nike behind them. And In 2016, Nike overtook Louis Vuitton as the most valuable apparel brand in the world, according to a ranking by Forbes.

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    3. @Lopi

      Good point on player power. A few seasons ago I remember the debate starting in earnest about time taken between points. There was, I recall, a train of though - certainly from several ex-professionals and commentators - that the public love these long rallies, and the powers that be should actually increase allowed time between points, in order to accomodate serial piss-takers like Nadal and Djuicer. Thankfully that never transpired.

      But it struck me the power modern players have, if others can seriously consider changing the rules around them.

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  8. Very interesting indeed. Paul Kimmage has commented on tennis a number of times over the last few years. I get the impression he doesn't follow the sport closely but watches enough of it to see what an obvious farce it is. You can sense just how frustrated he is with his fellow reporters, with such low hanging fruit to go for (just ask a question about the fucking TUE's already!) Interesting as well to note that, reading between the lines anyway, he doesn't seem to view Fed's performance last week with as much cynicism as many of us here, myself included.

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  10. I'm just watching the fifth set of the final again and at 3-2 in games with Nadal taking forever, the commentators (the Mac brothers and Fowler) were discussing the time Nadal takes between points. And John McEnroe said something like "let's hope the umpire doesn't choose now to give him a time violation warning". The next point was a break point for Federer and Nadal took 35 seconds to serve. That's what? 15 seconds over the time limit? Nadal plays by his own rules and the umpires let him and the commentators are ok with that.

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  11. Another reminder of the new blog

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  12. https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/5r8l9r/fedal_2009_vs_2017/

    It goes to show you how far training and recovery science has come. Obviously Roger's natural physical ability is the prime factor, but I wouldn't be surprised to see this become more normal. Novak, for example, is so into the flexibility and injury prevention protocols that I fully expect him to continue at his high level for another 5-6 years for sure.

    These people are delusional.

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    1. This one made me laugh...

      [–]RainMan500I know everything about tennis 8 points 2 hours ago :
      "That is a good assessment. To add to it, I would say Murray has 3 good years left in him, Wawrinka has 2 years and Nadal has 5 months."

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    2. If they hadn't sped up the court at the AO this year, we'd be looking at a different result right now. I guess the powers that be have had enough of the rubber band man and the pasty Scot. And of course, Nadal defies logic. He's a clay court specialist yet they speed up the courts and he manages to make the final. Go figure.

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    3. @Lopi

      What an absolutely orgasmic outcome for the ITF/ATP with that AO final - Mugray and the increasingly-disliked Djuicevic contesting titles isn't really capturing the imagination of the casual tennis fan.

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    4. No. Their matches are soooooo boring. At least a fedal match is pleasant on one side of the court. ;)

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  13. Slight diversion but just another day in the Russian doping machine... 2012 Olympic 4x400m silver medallists due to be stripped thanks to a retrospective doping test:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/38825752

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  14. I want to thank SNR for taking this over from me when I got burned out and for bringing it to a more professional level the past several years. I don't think either of us realized the difficulty of exposing the truth when there is so much money on the line for so many people, not the least of whom are the tennis journalists. I've learned a great deal just from starting and continuing to follow this blog after I passed it on, including from many of the commenters here. It is a sad day to see it go, but perhaps someone somewhere along the line will have it as a reference if the truth can ever really be brought out. Thanks SNR and all commenters.

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    1. To you, too. For getting it all going.

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    2. Thanks THASP for starting this blog and for finding a worthy successor in SnR. I hope one day your hard work will be rewarded with a true breakthrough in the fight against doping in tennis. Good luck to both of you.

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    3. ThanksTHASP. I think the biggest shock was how difficult it was just to get some people to look at the statistics and admit the testing was designed to fail.

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    4. Thasp, SnR, you guys did great. Tennis is killing itself by not allowing youngsters to come through. The game is flatlining if you look at US tennis industry revenues. You'd think less drugs, more talent, maybe more US talent would fix many issues. But people running the sport lack vision - they won't rock the boat. Let's all move on. It was a great sport with a great heritage.

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  15. Yes, much gratitude to THASP and SnR for building up this community and this body of work. 2017 looks like it'll be the year for the shit hitting the fan - everywhere and on all levels - so hopefully the truth will also surface w/r/t tennis and doping.

    Please feel free to drop an occasional link or comment to the THASP spin-off: https://tennishasadrugproblem.blogspot.co.uk/

    Thanks again, and best wishes to you both.

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  16. Tennis Australia criticised for lack of action after abuse claims: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-02/tennis-australia-alleged-coach-abuse/8226810

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  18. Thanks to both SnR and THASP... I remember when I first read this blog, I'd been laughed out of tennis forums for even suggesting doping might be an issue. We live in different times, nowadays.

    Even if the vested-interests are still not grasping the nettle, my feeling is that the hard-core fan is far more skeptical than they used to be. That's at least in part due to this blog.

    Kudos.

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  19. Great blog and a great way to sign off, Kimmage & Walshe are for me definate journo's to follow in the future. I hope the spin off goes well too.

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  20. Get busy and stay away for a couple weeks and look what happens! Thanks SnR and your original THASP people I'll try the new site. Love and luck to all.

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  21. A huge thanks to THASP for his desire and energy to create this informative place to share tennis doping information. Then of course, we would not be "here" w/o Sen no Rikyu.

    Tons of great posts have been shared over the years.

    Let is be said that one day, sooner than later, folks will reference the info shared here when doping in tennis is fully and finally exposed.

    Will close with a personal thanks to THASP and SnR. A tip of the hat to you both. You guys rock.!

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  26. Dear THASP and SnR,

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    Why don't you make an ebook that contains all the articles and the most meaningful posts written by the readers of this great blog?

    You could make a decent yearly passive income ( 1000 copies x $15 for each downloaded ebook = $15000 per year, not so bad!! ) and in the meanwhile, it would be like you keep on fighting tennis doping, social purpose and money at the same time, not so bad!!

    Think about it, it isn't something to disregard as a weird online business idea, far from it, it's social purpose for first and a sort of financial reward for all your efforts, not so bad at all!!

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    Fabrice, greetings from Italy.

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  30. So, how about that Roger Federer? Lol. Funny how since his comeback at nearly 36 years old has seen him win a slam and masters, you losers want to bail on the "cause". Predictable from this Fedtard watering hole. Bunch of chickenshits who want to take their ball and go home now that their God is under the microscope. Pathetic bunch of sycophants.

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  31. Well, 36 year old Roger Federer outlasted a player 16 years his junior in a match lasting over 3 hours, to reach his second masters final in a row. When are you going to slander his name all over your shitty website by calling him a doper and a cheater? Oh, his name isn't Rafael Nadal, so he doesn't get attacked relentlessly by you unabashed Fedtards. Cowardly asses won't even post here anymore because Federer is just as much of a suspect as your most hated player is and you don't want to face it. Fuck you bunch of hypocritical Federer boot lickers. You are all fucking pathetic.

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  32. You think what I said is trolling? What a dipshit you are. What I said is the fucking truth, Feddietard, and you just don't want to hear it. It's no coincidence that as soon as Fed started becoming suspicious this place decided to stop their bullshit doping crusade. It was started by a Fed cocksucker, and was then handed off to an even bigger Fed cocksucker, and is meant to demonize anyone who beat their mancrush too many times for their liking. No surprise now they want to cut and run since Federer isn't as squeaky clean as they made him out to be. Cowards.

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  33. Okay, so this will be another Roger Federer year? After... well... 4-5 years without much success and no big titles. Murray and Djokovic are right now cut somehow out of this show... So his chances are better than ever.

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  34. So, Rafa speech was about how Roger Federer comeback from injury was "amazing and one of the best ever in history". Those are words from a man who in 2013 demolished first half of the year...
    These two are so much suspiciuos right now. And how they admire each other...

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  35. At the very rip old age of 36, Roger Federer has won the AO+IW+Miami triple! After being out for nearly all of last year, he comes back winning everything with no signs of stopping. Where are you THASP? How come you decided to ditch the "cause" right when Fedoper emerged? This website was started as nothing more than a Fedtard witchhunt on Rafael Nadal, and now that your fav is right up there with the rest of the "dopers", you want to pretend this place never existed. If you really cared about doping in tennis, shouldn't be on here right now calling out the very suspicious rise of Federer? God, you people are so transparent it's simply hilarious! With every tournament win and every long, exhausting match Fed shows no sign of slowing down in, I will be here posting how big of a fucking hypocrite piece of shit you Feddietards are. Fucking losers.

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  36. Why do you lump Nadal in with Federer? Nadal is not playing all that well at all, but guess who is playing the best he's played in 5-6 years? At 36 years old? After being out nearly all of last year? Not Nadal, I can tell you that. Nadal has never had an out of nowhere year like this, especially the older he has gotten. Stop making this seem like Nadal is playing anywhere close to the level of Fedoper right now because he isn't. Plus, you are only adding Nadal in there to take some of the heat of Fedoper, which is simply a crock of shit.

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    1. Nadal's 2013 season reeked of the same stuff. But I agree, this "miraculous" comeback has next to zero scrutiny.

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    2. Yeah, Nadal's 2013 was just as ridiculous, but I agree with the rest of Humphrey's ramblings. The Fedtards never cared about doping in tennis - only about preserving his records. The same thing that happened here is happening in other places, too. The Fedtards used to be parked on the "Doping in Tennis" thread at MTF, but now that their man is feeling the heat, they are whining to the mods and managed to get that thread closed. I'm sure even if Federer goes on to win Wimbledon and the US Open this year, they'll find a way to rationalize it.

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  80. Hi there, I appreciate that the blog is closed, and am sorry for coming late to the party, but can anyone provide an ITF (or other) link to verify the figures in the link below which state that Federer was tested 4 times between 2008-2008 for EPO, based upon suspicious blood levels?

    Many thanks in advance: http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.ie/2012/02/epo-testing-revisited-wrap-up-part-four.html

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  82. Too bad this still wasn't live with Nadal's incredible comeback vs Kohlschreiber in Miami. Bageled first set. Locker room. Rest is history after that. From what I saw, it really seemed more like a change in tactics and Kohly heat fatigue than anything else, but still... Nadal's body these days has been flat more than once at the start of matches. The locker room seems to be the best antidote to rejuvenate the body/mind.

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  83. My guess is much of the "doping" is legal. Either by permission or with substances not banned, but probably should be. Once they get banned, top notch players with their team of physicians can quickly learn and retrieve the next greatest performance enhancing apparatus or drug that has yet to be tested and banned.

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  84. My guess is much of the "doping" is legal. Either by permission or with substances not banned, but probably should be. Once they get banned, top notch players with their team of physicians can quickly learn and retrieve the next greatest performance enhancing apparatus or drug that has yet to be tested and banned.

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  94. Sitemizde ürünlerin tamamı kategorilere ayrılmış bir şekilde sunulurken bu kategorilerden ürünlerin seçimini yaptıktan sonra kişiler özel güvenlik sistemleri ile birlikte kredi kartlarını kullanabileceklerdir. Kredi kartlarını kullanırken verecekleri bilgiler kesinlikle herhangi bir kişi tarafından görülmezken direkt olarak bankanın sayfasına yönlendirilerek alışverişler gerçekleştirilmektedir. Bu şekilde gerçekleşen alışverişlerde tamamen güven ortamı sağlanırken sipariş aşamasında yaşanan herhangi bir sorunda müşterilerimiz sitemiz ile rahatlıkla iletişime geçerken telefon numaralarımız ve mail adreslerimiz ile yapılan ulaşımlarda en kısa süre içerisinde cevaplar verilebilecektir. Steroid Satın AlBöylece ortaya çıkan sorunlar hemen müşterimizin lehine çözülürken müşterilerimizin sporlarına olabilecek en iyi katkı verilmiş olacaktır.

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  95. Great jobs - Income Opportunities - Free Accounts http://sidepole.com

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  97. So it seems that the new blog has been deleted. It would have been nice to at least have been given some kind of warning so that we could prepare to move the community elsewhere (assuming Jupiter wasn't forced to shutdown). I guess we can use this grand old blog for that though.

    That said, if somebody is going to take up the responsibility of starting a new blog, then I think a real game plan is needed. Tennishasadrugproblem was directionless and really just became a place for the same old members to bicker about utterly pointless crap. With the tennis season now ended, there's really no rush to start up a new blog, but I hope to hear from you guys.

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    1. I would agree with you. It was unworkable as it was. I can only assume threats. Was it working yesterday?

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  98. Yes I have just noticed it has gone. Absolutely no warning. Were threats made?

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  99. Both the blog and the accompanying Twitter account have been deleted. God knows why. In any case, if one of the more respectable members of our little community would be willing to start a new blog (TUSB or Pedro for example), that would be great.

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    1. My moneys on threats. Which is interesting because it suggests that it was raising issues that certain unknown people were uncomfortable with. Perhaps a bit close to home?

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    3. Whilst I think Jupiter could have been more careful with some of the things he was posting on twitter, I don't really see how the blog itself would have been considered a threat to anybody considering the content (or lack thereof). There were a lot of baseless accusations being made by the users, but that's nothing new and I'm not sure that would have made him legally liable or not. More likely he just got bored lol...

      Might sound harsh, but I think it was time for a change anyway. The blog was disappointing.

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  100. This is really sad. Why was the other blog shut down? I hope we can start another one

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  101. Well, the thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that we lost all the information in the Archive, as the old blog was also deleted. Well, it would have been great if we had had some kind of warning in order to backup the information we had there.

    This is getting tiresome to be honest and not worth at all.

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    1. I agree the new blog was tiresome, but these blogs are the only ones that are discussing the subject of “Doping in Tennis”. To give up, means throwing the towel in. I think it has worth if only to keep the subject in the public domain.

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  102. I'm up for a new blog, TUSB would be a good one.

    Even if it just posts every week or so to allow for discussion, I didn't mind that.

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  103. I was going to make a comment on Goffin miraculous form this fall, but I noticed the blog was no longer active.

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    1. I too am very curious about Goffin and how he goes next season to see if he continues his form. His play and general confidence were pretty amazing.

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    1. the dark side of tennis
      tennis integrity problems

      (Covers match fixing etc, not just doping. And good to be a statement of fact that gets your attention.)

      I wouldn't have the faintest about starting a new blog. But if anyone else does we'll all be there.

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    2. The point of the name of the blog is to make it clear, so that anyone that searches for it can find it.

      Tennis Has a Doping Problem is the name I picked when I wanted to create the new one, but Jupiter stepped in and then did what he did.

      I have lost motivation, as we have had 3 new iterations of the same blog, and a forth one coming if anyone decides to step in. And all the information that was archived has also been lost.

      Although it does not surprise me. I did not like the way Jupiter did things, so there you go. It would be good if he manned up and inform what happened.

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    3. [(Covers match fixing etc, not just doping. And good to be a statement of fact that gets your attention.)]

      Tennis Has an Ethical/Ethics Problem/Dilemma?

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      A 17 Year old was banned for two years.
      CAS decision in the case of Arsan Arashov Read more at http://www.itftennis.com/news/276711.aspx#DmLJ5ySsObW0Frrx.99

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  105. Tennis Has A Doping Problem is the most straightforward name that also comes up easily in search engines (think of someone typing 'tennis doping'). If nobody has started a new blog by Friday, I'll set a new one up over the weekend.

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    1. Let us know when/if it's done, i'll be there. Sure, it's a bit quite on the tennis-front at the moment but it will pick up in the coming (8 or less) weeks!

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  106. 'I thought at the back of my mind, Rafa should retire,' Cash told BBC Sport.

    Cash also added, 'Two or three years of playing very average tennis, I thought, "You know what, I don't want to see Rafa go down like this." I saw him in the first week of the year in Abu Dhabi and I went, "Oh my goodness, this guy is hitting the ball 20-25% harder than recent years." It was frightening; I thought, "What has happened here?" That's when I thought he was back.

    https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Rafael_Nadal/48809/pat-cash-i-thought-rafael-nadal-should-have-retired

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    1. "What has happened here?" - C'mon Pat, I think you know....

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  107. Here's the new blog I've set up: https://tennishasadopingproblem358094286.wordpress.com/

    Domain is due to me using the free version. Any criticism is welcome (first time I'm using WP).

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    1. Hi,

      Can’t seem to find it. Any chance of linking it so it can be bookedmarked?

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    2. For some reason it didn't work for my first time on my iphone, but then it worked the second time and has worked on my computer just fine. The below link works too.

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  108. Does this link work?
    http://bit.ly/2BvSZyg

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